Posts by Vernon Williams

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JWs and Love towards their families

by R.F. in

this is something that just popped in my mind suddenly.. but i was thinking about over the years the many comments of jws about loved ones.

for instance, one sister was speaking of her disgust with her children not accepting the "truth".

she gladly tells anyone of what she told them; that if they don't accept it before armageddon that it's too bad.

Vernon Williams

I got home late ,again, and am here looking over the posts: kind of mezermizing, isn't it? A lot of times I feel like I am a medic at D-day: so much carnage....where do you start? It is a spiritual "Saving Private Ryan...." I am glad many, here, are better at tri-auge (SP?) than me. :-)

Yes, the JWs miss a lot.....starting with simple reality.

You can look at the pieces and weep or walk away not looking back...what to do?

I shake my head at the waste.

Need to go to bed....

Several of us do (hint.)

Tommorrow is one day further from the sadness IF we set it down and do not drag it with us.

Take care,

Yours in this Struggle,

V

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'..simply for a contribution to cover the printing cost of the magazines...

by Gill in

do you remember when we used to ask for a 'contribution that covers the printing cost' for the mags?.

was that ever the real cost of printing the mags?

afterall, we had to pay for the wretched things when we collected them, so was the wt society already making a profit from us foolish sheep which we then tried to recoup from the unsuspecting public.. were we conned?

Vernon Williams

OK: my anger level just spiked when I read the heading on the thread: here is the story:

(Tom C. is a former Bethal Printing Overseer)

I am visiting my buddy, Tom Cabeen, at his home in CT. We are setting in his living room and he is telling a story about this or that and he mentions the cost of the mags costing three and a half cents to produce in the early eighties....it was just a tid-bit fact to Tom....that was not the story....he goes on...

I sat up straight and said "Whoa...wait a minute: the mags cost HOW MUCH???"

Tom said three and a half cents.

I said we were placing them for a quarter and that was to cover the cost of printing.

Tom says it did cover the cost of printing.

I am getting torqued: But, Tom, it is a PROFIT of twenty one and a half cents.

Vernon, he asks, if you knew the cost was three and a half cents what would you have charged for the mag?

I thought: a nickle.

Vernon, Tom goes on, how much did you cong. send into the Society each month?

Couple of hundred bucks.

Tom asks: How does the Society buy the most expensive property in Brooklyn with a couple of hundred bucks? They don't. They pay millions in cash: where does that money come from? From twenty one and a half cents times 4 copies a month times 10,000,000 copies each times 12 months. And, that does not cover the profit from Bibles, books, brochures, and other odds and ends. Vernon, it is the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society INCORPERATED. It is a BUSINESS. The BUSINESS is printing and the reason a BUSINESS exists is to project itself into the future based on PROFITS.

(Guys: I was so angry at that momment I could have spit nails. This topic still (curse word ahead, again....) pisses me off to the point I want to just....I don't know what......)

But, I go on, talking to Tom, What about the little scribbled notes in the WT where the little girl sends in her milk money...I mean this little girl went without her milk and she gives it to the Society? Why don't they send back little Suzy's money and tell her to buy the playmate with no shoes or bad shoes a pair of shoes as the Society is rolling in money?

Tom smiles: We don't want to mess up appearances do we, Vernon?

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So, that is the story, folks. Happened four years ago. This Society is awash in money...money to the gills. And, here is the REAL (curse word ahead, again....sorry....) PISSER: These hypacritcal pieces of Spiritual Fecal Matter have the gall to say they do not pass a COLLECTION PLATE!!!

Well of course not: they have a guranteed market, a free distribution system (via our cars and feet when we were "in field service"), free laber.....and they are lying their proverbial powdered bottoms off about the whole scheme.

Liers. Liers. Decievers.

Done ranting....almost two in the morning.....

Yours in this swamp of reality,

V PS: I think a broke a rule or two listed below: Amends: I will try to do better.....

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Intelligence of Witness Material

by choosing life in

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friends

when i started attending the meetings, i was in college.

i would use any excuse i could to get out of the watchtower study.

i couldn't believe they wanted me to read the article at home and underline the answers and then i had to sit and listen to them read it aloud again and give the same exact answers they underlined in the magazine.

Vernon Williams

I have not read the thread, yet: off to work at the hatchery and dreading it.....

I thought the JWs were well educated when I was in. I was mixing up "time spent" and "things learned." I was duped.

For the past five years, I have began to read a variety of books on religion, theology, and history.

Here is the conclusion: The JWs are (curse word ahead....wanring) so damned illiterate and illogical that it is a comedy. Flat lined......

The level of education presented: it would bore an intelligent eigth grader. It is so, so dumbed down. It had been a couple of years since I had picked up a WT mag and, then, found one in a doctors office. I could not believe I had EVER been impressed with this drivel....honestly, I felt stupid just reading it and, then, realizing I had presented this kind of trash to the public: gag me!

My take,

Off to work: I know, ahead of time, I am going to blamed for a breakdown that is not my fault...love days like this. The first rule of the poultry industry is this: "Who are we going to blame?" After that is answered all goes well.

Wishing you all a good day,

Yours in this Journey,

V

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What do I do?

by Miss 8572 in

if any of you have read my first post you know where i am right now... just a re-cap.

i really hate alot of what my witness friends think and do and say and i'm on my way out.

my best friend who i went everywhere with disassociated me.

Vernon Williams

jwfacts is correct, if the lives of many are a witness: your life will be richer in relationships than it ever was as a JW. This phase is a part of the lancing of a very infected boil. That will cause a small scare that will fade to the point it is noticed by no one: including you! Keep up the good fight. Do the best you can. Discomfort is always a part of growth and Journey.

Yours in this Struggle,

V

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June 12th is tomorrow, are you ready for armageddon?

by dawg in

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isn't tomorrow armageddon?

i think i'll sleep late just in case... an elder called my friends house and said that armageddon was almost certain to come this year; an urban myth stated that it would be tomorrow.

i guess i'll wait to make that car payment.

Vernon Williams

When it happens, I would like to be in a group of JWs: to see the surprise on thier faces that it did not go down as expected!

V

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As a parent....how do YOU feel about trampolines?

by onlycurious in

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my daughter broke her arm really just a hair above the elbow about 5 years ago.

her arm isn't the same after having pins in it.

now my oldest daughter has been going over to a friends house and doing back flips (as if she's a pro) on the dumb thing.

Vernon Williams

I think they are great: they cause the need for a lot of the research going into spinal injury repair and those folks need jobs, too......

V PS: My little one does not, will not, have one of these things....just an opinion.

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..Creative Insults..

by OUTLAW in

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every once in awhile people will get choked with each other and name call..usually it`s not that creative..sh*thead..assh*le..ect..then there`s my favorites like hillary_step..that guy can insult an idiot and it`s unlikely the person will ever get it..lol!

!..that always cracks me up..lol!

!.....what i`m looking for is creative insults!

Vernon Williams

"Dolt" and "Twit" are my favorites: people, usually, do not know what they mean....funny....

V

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for any of you that have read my threads(im a struggling one)

by MUNKAFATS in

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they way im seeing it is that jw seem to teach only honesty which i dont see as being a bad thing at all so why are some of you on here using **** this and **** that or im going to do some fornication now blah blah blah , i dont mean to be offensive at all but some of you say you are christian????

or is it that you have been repressed for to long ?

help me as i feel stuck in the middle , dont know what to do

Vernon Williams

Munk,

Just gave our little guy a breathing treatment: asthma.....

I and you are both new to the board: could you exand on your idea that you are "stuck."

Just fill that out a bit if you would.

Up later than I should be,

V

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for any of you that have read my threads(im a struggling one)

by MUNKAFATS in

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friends

they way im seeing it is that jw seem to teach only honesty which i dont see as being a bad thing at all so why are some of you on here using **** this and **** that or im going to do some fornication now blah blah blah , i dont mean to be offensive at all but some of you say you are christian????

or is it that you have been repressed for to long ?

help me as i feel stuck in the middle , dont know what to do

Vernon Williams

OH MY GAWD:

I said "Free Wheel" and that was a typo: but....know what?

IT FITS as so many ARE "Free Wheeling" for the first time!

Told you I was tired!

(you know I meant Free Will)

HA on me,

V

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for any of you that have read my threads(im a struggling one)

by MUNKAFATS in

jw
friends

they way im seeing it is that jw seem to teach only honesty which i dont see as being a bad thing at all so why are some of you on here using **** this and **** that or im going to do some fornication now blah blah blah , i dont mean to be offensive at all but some of you say you are christian????

or is it that you have been repressed for to long ?

help me as i feel stuck in the middle , dont know what to do

Vernon Williams

Munk,

Vernon Williams, here:Greetings!

You are correct: there is as wide a range of "spiritual expression" on this board as one could hope to see. For those visiting this site, from the standpoint of an exiting or considering exiting viewpoint, this is a good thing. A great many people exiting the WT are, for the FIRST TIME in thier lives, using thier God given Free Wheel and, as a result, are "all over the place" in what to do with it.

Me, I am a Christian. True, a new Christian and I offer the thoughts of one in that dynamic. I will resist an exJW that is totally against the idea of God at all: however, I just state my case. In this way the "lurkers" can view two opions expressed with open honesty. This allows them the thought that they are free to explore differing viewpoints and opinions without lightning striking them.

Many people here have been horribly, terribly, well.....screwed over. They are angry and need to work it out, vent. That is great, too. They have fellows that understand, completely.

We, here, are all "in Journey." We are at different places in that road. God is patient. We need to be, also. With each other and self....the latter is the most difficult.

I would sugest you continue to post and read other's posts. I have the option, over the next week, to try and locate a "hot chick" and shag her and pay for it by stealing my nieghbor's chickens and selling them at the local farmer's market. It would, no doubt, be exciting. However, my plans are to stay faithful to my Dear Wife, be as good a daddy to our little five year old as I can, be a good neighbor....you know....all the "Christian stuff."

Some, here, WILL find a hot chick ( or guy, or both.....), shag them and, maybe, tell about it.

Am I going to condem them? No. For now, that is where they are and that is what they are doing TODAY. If I enter the Kingdom, I will see many of these people, THEN, enter far ahead of this old hillbilly.

It is Journey, Munk. Enjoy the views that pass your way. Enjoy the company. These are some real cool folks, here. Smile over the stories, if you are a Christian: keep them in your prayers: I do.

I thank the LIving God for all here.

That includes you.

Yours in this Journey,

V PS: this is a badly written post: Just got home from a long, long day: I wanted to post this incase I didn't wake up in the morning....I hope it made enough sense to be half way coherent.....